And thank goodness that the popular host had RFK Jr. on as one of his last guests because he dropped several bombshells that challenged the conventional wisdom among Americans and others in the West that Ukraine is 'winning' or even has a chance to defeat the much larger Russia.
"The general theme in my speech was this corrupt merger of state and corporate power, which has -- which is turning our country into a corporate kleptocracy. Into a system of... cushy socialism for the rich and this kind of brutal, merciless capitalism for the poor," Kennedy told Carlson, referring to his speech announcing his candidacy.
"It keeps us in a state of war. It bails out banks at the same time that, you know, this month, last the United States government told 30 million people it was cutting their welfare check, their food stamp checks by 90 percent, it took 15 million people off of Medicare. The same month, it gave $300 million dollars to the Silicon Valley Bank and tapped up the cost of the Ukraine war to $113 billion. We're sending $113 billion to the Ukraine. The entire budget of the EPA is $12 billion. The budget of CDC is $11 billion," he continued.
"We have 57 percent of American citizens could not put their hands on a thousand dollars if they have an emergency. A quarter of our citizens are hungry," JFK added. "So we're cutting welfare and food stamps by 90 percent, and we're paying and we're bailing out the bankers, we're paying for a war that, you know, we can't afford."
Continuing, he added: "And the way that we do this is by printing money. We've printed 10 centuries of money in the last 14 years. And that is what causes inflation, which raises food prices and which is a tax on the poor. You know, we've raised food prices for basic foods like chicken, dairy, and milk by 76 percent in the last two years. And now we're cutting people's food stamps and bailing out banks the same month. It doesn't make any sense, and we need to get rid of this kind of corporate control government. It comes from, you know, our democracy is devolving into a corporate plutocracy."
In response, Carlson asked the nephew of John F. Kennedy, "I would think that what you just said, and I'll just be honest, I agree with most of it. But even if I didn't, I would think, boy, that's a really interesting thing to say. You have a coherent worldview. You've written a lot of books on these topics. You've clearly thought about it. You're not in for the money, so don't these issues deserve a wide hearing before the public entering a presidential year? It seems to me that they do."
"I would think they would, and particularly the issues of war. You know, my son went over and fought in Ukraine. As I said today, I think where, you know, people the most respected diplomatic gurus like Henry Kissinger and Jack Matlock, and Larry Wilkinson have all said that the Ukraine war is a huge problem for our country because it, from a geopolitical standpoint, it's driving the Russians closer to the Chinese, which is the worst thing for us," RFK Jr. added.
"But we're there for the right reasons because we have tremendous compassion for the Ukrainian people and the illegal invasion, the brutality, and also their valor and their courage. My own son was serving over there. He joined a special forces unit as a machine gunner. He fought in the Kharkiv offensive," he said.
Then Kennedy dropped a massive bomb: The numbers of Ukrainians and Russian soldiers being killed has been wildly distorted against Moscow.
"But the question is, why are we in the Ukraine? Because Lloyd Austin, the secretary of defense, said we're there to exhaust the Russians. President Biden has said that we're there to de-platform, to depose Vladimir Putin. And if that's why we're there and we're killing a lot of Ukraine, as pawns in a proxy war between two great powers," he said.
"Here's one last thing I would say. Nobody talks about this. There are 14,000 Ukrainian civilians who have died, but 300,000 troops. Russians are killing Ukrainians at a seven-to-one, eight-to one-ratio. They cannot sustain this. Well, what we're being told about this war is just not true," he added.