David Paxton, filling in for regular host Dr. Alan Keyes, discussed the matter with guests Rick Hidalgo and Randy Conway during the February 21 episode of "Let's Talk America" show on Brighteon.TV.
The vlogger/podcaster Hidalgo said the Church, or "Ecclesia," has zero infrastructure, while the "Babylon," or world system, has all the infrastructure.
"The Church has zero infrastructure. In fact, most of the buildings are actually owned by some kind of a 501C3 corporation and actually owes allegiance to Babylon. So we realized that we have zero infrastructure, and we have got to start developing Ecclesia infrastructure. We need Ecclesia power companies, we need Ecclesia hospitals, we need Ecclesia banks," Hidalgo said.
"So we need Ecclesia everything from top to bottom, we need to utilize our agency as ecclesia to do all of it."
Hidalgo noted that the world system has all the infrastructure like hospitals, enforcement agencies, energy companies and other things with the Babylon imprint on it.
Conway noted there is no reason for the Church to not have an infrastructure. The poet-writer added the Ecclesia needs to occupy or take ground of the infrastructure and stop standing on the sidelines and watch the corporate system take control of it.
He also mentioned that the Church has taken politics out of the pulpit and believed the lies about the separation of Church and State.
"We've taken politics out of the pulpit. And there is no religious test in the Constitution. There is no separation and the Church is more guilty of the separation than the political realm," Conway explained.
"We took politics out of the pulpit. And it wasn't the government that did it. It was the Church that did it. The Bible is replete from Genesis to Revelation with the Kingdom terms and Kingdom language and that is government language and military language which are part of a government. And talking about ambassadors and the agencies, these are all government terms that have been taken out of the Church."
Paxton agreed and pointed out that the Church has complained of Christians getting involved in politics and then wonder why the politicians they elected are not making godly decisions. (Related: Pastor Brandon Burden: The Church has to reengage back into culture – Brighteon.TV.)
"It's because you wouldn't let the Christians run into politics. And we just need to take over and take it back," Paxton said.
Paxton and his guests also talked about the concept of two kingdoms – the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of darkness – which are battling for the allegiance of people.
Conway said a person has the choice to serve between these two kingdoms, and the kingdom choice that a person makes is imperative for one's house. The former worship leader and businessman said Christians are called to be the Kingdom warriors who expose the works of the Kingdom of darkness.
He added that throughout human history, there has always been conflict between these two kingdoms and it is expressed over and over in today's society. The poet-author also said people need to be aware of these two kingdoms and their law forms.
Hidalgo, on the other hand, pointed out that people must be able to recognize the playbook that is being used by the Deep State, Cabal and Babylon or the Babylonian system, which has always existed throughout history. He cited how the ancient Israelites' biological property was captured in Egypt and how the whole birth registration process came and captured the biological property of Americans.
Paxton said Christians need to retake ownership of the property that has been taken away by the Kingdom of Babylon or the world system, which is under Satan's dominion, and put it under the Kingdom of God.
Watch the full Feb. 21 episode of "Let's Talk America" below. "Let's Talk America" airs every weekday at 1-3 p.m. on Brighteon.TV.
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