Conversation With a Medical Student

Friday, February 04, 2011 by: Neil Z. Miller
Tags: medical students, vaccination, health news

Medical student: I don't think I have ever been more angered by a website in my life. So much of this information is completely faulty.

Neil Z. Miller: All of the information on our Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute
website can be verified.

MS: Your site states that "Many of the disease outbreaks that we are warned about today, are caused by, and occur in, recently vaccinated children." This is because of plain old numbers! The majority of kids are vaccinated (because their parents and their doctors use LOGIC), thus, more diseases come from them.

NZM: Actually, the majority of kids are vaccinated because the medical industry uses coercive tactics, intimidation, skewed data, and compulsory vaccination laws in order for children to receive an education. Without these factors, many more people would not receive the shots. Furthermore, several studies have shown that educated parents are the most likely to reject vaccines. For example, a recent study by the CDC found that vaccinated children tend to have mothers who are poor, unmarried and did not go to college. Unvaccinated children tend to have mothers who are financially stable, married, and have a college degree. In addition, medical doctors have little influence over their decisions. [Pediatrics 2004;114:187-195.]

Another recent study published in the American Journal of Public Health, confirmed that vaccinated children are more likely to have mothers without a high school diploma while unvaccinated children are more likely to have mothers who graduated from college. [Am J of Public Health (Feb. 2007);97(2).] Another study conducted last year found that
parents with more education were less likely to get their daughters vaccinated against HPV. [PLoS Med (May 4, 2010);7(5).]

MS: Your implication that the diseases result from them being vaccinated is a terribly false claim. One baby DOES put others at risk. Some kids can't be vaccinated because of allergies to ingredients in vaccines. They are now put at a far greater risk of getting diseases from those who are unvaccinated by choice.

NZM: Regarding ingredients in vaccines, I recommend the following video on Overdosed Babies. It explains in detail the exact ingredients in vaccines -- one of the reasons educated parents reject the shots for their children. It is unethical to obligate parents to poison their children and play Russian Roulette with their lives in order to satisfy vaccination quotas. If it's true that some children cannot be vaccinated, as you claim, because of the current composition of vaccines, then the medical industry and vaccine manufacturers must be held responsible to improve their products so that everyone wanting the shots has that option. However, families should never be obligated to risk their childrenaa???s lives.

It should also be noted that many diseases certainly DO result from vaccination. This is due to adverse reactions and/or failure of the vaccine. This is well documented in the medical literature.

MS: A child does not have the right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated. It sickens me to think that parents out there make the choice to not vaccinate their children and put them at a far greater risk for disease. It disgusts me.

NZM: Perhaps we should put you in charge of health decisions for all families. Then, everyone could simply do as you say and no one would need to think on their own anymore. Your arrogant and self-righteous attitude is disappointing but quite typical of the average doctor. You appear destined to perpetuate the damage we see in vaccinated populations.

MS: You state that "Recently vaccinated children carry the disease germ and are able to spread it to other children." First off, "germ" is in no way a technical term. Vaccines carry DEAD or INACTIVE disease cells.

NZM: Please forgive us for not using the technical term "dead disease cells" to describe the antigenic component designed to stimulate antibody production. Your choice of words is much more descriptive and illuminating.

MS: Other children cannot "catch" a disease from another child just because he or she has just been vaccinated." These are all lies.

NZM: Actually, this is quite common and well documented in the medical literature. Vaccinated children can, and do, pass the disease on to others. Scientists euphemistically refer to these cases as "secondary transmissions." You can read the product insert of the chickenpox or FluMist vaccines to get an idea. For example, the chickenpox manufacturer states:
"Post-marketing experience suggests that transmission of vaccine virus may occur rarely between healthy vaccinees who develop a varicella-like rash and healthy susceptible contacts." The admission that it "rarely" occurs is grossly understated when compared to other data showing much higher secondary transmission rates.

MS: You state that "Doctors almost NEVER admit a correlation between vaccines and serious reactions." I would like to see your website cite studies that show that these complications were the result of a vaccine. I would like to see you prove how DEAD cells suddenly become alive and cause disease in vaccinated individuals.

NZM: Our site does list many studies. For example, the Hib vaccine has been linked to diabetes. [BMJ (Oct. 23, 1999); Autoimmunity 2002;35(4):247-53.] The hepatitis B vaccine has been linked to MS and pediatric multiple sclerosis. [Neurology 2004;63:838-842; Chinese Medical Journal 2006;119(1):77-79; Neurology (Oct 8, 2008); Neurology (Dec 17, 2008).] I would also recommend the following book to you: Make an Informed Vaccine Decision by Mayer Eisenstein, MD. It contains numerous studies showing correlations between vaccines and serious adverse reactions.

It would also be enlightening for you to spend time reading the reports filed with the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). There are about 25,000 reports filed annually and the FDA has estimated that adverse reactions to drugs are underreported by 1:100. In other words, multiply 25,000 by 100 to get a better idea of the true number of people likely to be hurt every year by vaccines.

MD: Sincerely, a future MD who is sickened by the fact that she will have to deal with patients who share these views in her future career.

NZM: Sincerely, a medical research journalist who is disturbed by the number of people hurt and killed by vaccines every year, alarmed at the deceptive, autocratic methods that are used to increase these numbers, and deeply troubled by the callous attitude that medical industry perpetrators have toward their victims.

About the author:
Neil Z. Miller is a medical research journalist and the Director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute. He has devoted the past 25 years to educating parents and health practitioners about vaccines, encouraging informed consent and non-mandatory laws. He is the author of several books on vaccines, including Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers (2016) and Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners (2015). Past organizations that he has lectured for include the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association, the International College of Integrative Medicine, Maximized Living, Autism One, the Hahnemann Academy of North America, and Dr. Gabriel Cousens' Culture of Life Institute. Mr. Miller has a degree in psychology and is a member of Mensa.